Comments on: A UK Trans(sexual) Action Group?

By: clare carney

clare carney — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:50:09 +0000

In 1985 a woman was raped in a toilet in the Caledonia Rd area by a male transvestite.He got away with it because the girl committed suicide before it could come to court.
This girl was one of my best friends, so please keep your snide remarks to yourself.

By: clare carney

clare carney — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:46:04 +0000

Sorry if i didn’t make myself clear – I most certainly do not have a problem sharing toilet facilities with lesbians, be they cis or transsexual.
I didn’t say attacks by trans women, i said transgendered man. Please don’t try to put your language, which i do not accept, into my mouth.
The rights of transsexual women are equal to those of cis women.The rights of both these groups are much more important than the right of a cross dressing man.
Your foolhardy attitude, however, will lead to the rights of all non cis women being curtailed.
Do you think the abomination that is the Human Right Act came about by chance.Can’t you see that this is just the begining. Or are you clinging to the hope that the new commission will actually help us?

By: clare carney

clare carney — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:24:58 +0000

Ecxept, of course, that a post operative transsexual in incapable of rape. Wheras, a male transvestite, sorry, a “non operative woman” (sic) is.

By: clare carney

clare carney — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:21:37 +0000

You should hide your ignorance rather than shout it proudly.
In the standard language used by gender identity clinics a “Conforming” transsexual ( mtf) is someone who identifies as lesbian when pre-op but as a heterosexual female when post-op. A “non conforming” transsexual is someone who identifies as a heterosexual female when pre-op but as a lesbian when post-op.
This terminology was explained to me first by Ashley Robin and susequently by Richard Greene.

By: Steph

Steph — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:04:16 +0000

non conforming transsexuals ( lesbian transsexual women)

Wtf?!

Yours,
A non conforming transsexual

By: Butch Cassidyke

Butch Cassidyke — Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:36:24 +0000

«By asking us to accept heterosexually functional male transvestites ( NOT (( neccessarily )) pre-ops), you are asking us to accept a group of people amongst whom there will be rapists.»

I would actually say that by asking to accept people, you are asking to accept a group of people amongs whom there will be rapists.

Anyhow, ok, you want to make distinction, but personally, while I find usually myself quite able to make the distinction between a male transvestite and a trans girl (pre- or post-op) just by looking (or talking sometimes), I am not usually able to check whether someone is pre- or post-op without committing sexual assault.

So, well, not sure this is the appropriate parameter to make a distinction…

By: Sarah Brown

Sarah Brown — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:10:21 +0000

I have been sexually assaulted in a female toilet.

It was a cis women who did it.

Perhaps you should be liaising with your local police and council about banning them from the loos?

By: Zoe O'Connell

Zoe O'Connell — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:43:33 +0000

Do you have any examples of trans women actually (Not theoretically) sexually assaulting anyone in female toilets? There are plenty of examples of the reverse, you mention toiletgate yourself for example where a transwoman ended up being sexually assaulted after being made to use the male bathrooms. What you seem to be saying is that the rights of ciswomen trump those of transwomen.

You also seem to imply (I’m not clear on this point) that you would not want to share space with “lesbian transsexual women”. If that’s the case, do you feal the same about cisgendered lesbians?

By: Clare Carney

Clare Carney — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:24:19 +0000

No, just people who are happy to remain physically male.I have no problem with transvestites or non conforming transsexuals ( lesbian transsexual women), i just don’t want to share private spaces with people who are happy to keep their penis.
In the post to which you are replying, i clearly said “…those who had,or were intending to have,reassignment?” Perhaps you should read what has been written and not just make a very juvenile knee jerk response based on what you have assumed i had said, rather than what i actually said.
I would have thought that the feedback i get from the local council/police would have shown you that the public in my area are increasingly uncomfortable.Your attitude will sink us all.
By asking us to accept gay male transvestites, you are asking us to accept a group in whom it has been shown that there is no brain difference.
Why is no-one answering the point i made earlier? i.e. By asking us to accept heterosexually functional male transvestites ( NOT (( neccessarily )) pre-ops), you are asking us to accept a group of people amongst whom there will be rapists.(This is fact, not cojecture).So i ask again – what do you think the public reaction would be if just one natal woman was assaulted/raped in a private space such as a toilet by someone presenting as female and in posession of a gender recognition certificate?
Are you so naive as to think that the public reaction would be selective? It is foolish to think so, we would all feel the backlash fueled, no doubt, by certain sections of the press. This is just one reason why we should be fighting for ourselves and only ourselves.
As i have said before, by attatching ourselves to the L.G.B group, we are attatching ourselves to a group that has demonstrated open hostility to transsexuals on many occasions – ‘toiletgate’ being just one example.

By: Sarah Brown

Sarah Brown — Sat, 04 Sep 2010 19:23:24 +0000

I absolutely cannot and will not support you beating up on pre/non-op women, nor your divisionary genital essentialism. If we fight amongst ourselves, no progress will be made.

How does it end? First you throw pre/non-ops under the bus, then who? Lesbian trans women? Anyone wo transitioned later than 18? Anyone who has children? Anyone with size 9 feet? All trans men? What?